Seeking Help From The Deceased

I wonder if there is such a hadith: “When you are confused about what you have to do in your acts, ask for help from the deceased.” With this hadith, it is claimed that, to ask for help from the dead and connecting spiritually with the sheikh of a cult is lawful!

Some cult members claim that there is a hadith concerning this subject, by showing the following rumors as evidence, and with this assumption, they think it is appropriate to ask for help from the deceased.

إِذا تَحَيَّرْ تُم فِي اْلأمُورِ فاَسْتَعِينُوا بِأَهْلِ اْلقُبُورِ

إِذا أَعْيَتْكُمْ الأمُورُ فَعَلَيْكُمْ بِأهْلِ الْقُبُورِ ، أوْ فاَسْتَعِينُوا بِأَهْلِ اْلقُبُورِ

“When you are confused about what you have to do in your acts, ask for help from the dead in the graves.”

However, as Ibn Taymiyyah -one of the famous Islamic scholars- had declared: The scholars who are in a clear knowledge of our Prophet’s hadiths have consensus that, this saying is an obvious lie, slandered to the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) in his name for sure.

None of the hadith specialists have handed down this saying as a hadith. It does not exist in any of the reliable hadith books.[1]  It has been fabricated by someone who has opened a door to polytheism.[2]

To get more detailed information about this saying, which was mentioned in Al-Ajluni’s book, Kashf al-Khafa’ [3], you may read the related section of our book “Kur’an Isiginda Tarikatciliga Bakis” below:

DISCIPLE- You had said that you didn’t accept this hadith? :

“When you are confused about what you have to do in your acts, ask for help from the dead in the graves.”[4] Which part of it bothers you, so you oppose to this? To ask for help from the deceased means drawing a lesson from its situation.

BAYINDIR- If it is so, then why is the word “istianah – seek help from” used and NOT said “…draw a lesson from them”…?

In the Arabic text of the saying mentioned above, which actually was fabricated as a hadith, the related word “إستعينوا” “Istianah” is used, which commands us “to seek help”. In the chapter Al-Fatihah, there is the same word “istianah”, meaning “seeking help:  “iy­yaka nastaeen – نستعين إياك“. This verse translates as: “We seek help, from You only.”

Verily, this verse commands us to seek help from only one source, to seek help from Allah only.

Isn’t the saying you declare as a hadith, clearly contradicting with the verse above?

Isn’t there an extremely important reason in repeating the chapter Al-Fatihah, each and every time in our daily prayers and keeping its conclusions in our minds for good?

Don’t you find it devastating to take a part, next to the ones who calumniate this saying to the Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.), as if it were one of his hadiths?
Don’t you ever think; how come Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.), whose fundamental duty is teaching the words in The Quran, could say something contradicting to It?

Anyhow, there is nobody who has heard this saying from him at all! There is nobody passing down this saying to us, neither from the people who lived with him nor even after him. There isn’t a single relevant hadith book, which this saying is registered or mentioned in, at all. There is no trace of it in any of these either.

It has been a while since we announced this to you, but you couldn’t find it either. You can’t find it. Something that does not exist cannot be found for sure…

DISCIPLEWell, it is there, in Ajluni’s book Kashf al-Khafa’, That is enough for us. He is a great hadith researcher. And yet, he copied it from Ibn Kemal’s al-Arbaeen.

BAYINDIR- Ajluni had written that book to differentiate the true hadiths from the false sayings, which were known as hadith in the public then. For this reason, there are many false hadiths in that book. Ajluni, at the beginning of his book, mentions these words of Hafiz Ibn Hajar:

‘Whoever spreads a false hadith; as Bukhari registered and passed on, he shall suffer the consequences of Muhammad’s (p.b.u.h.) following hadith:

“Whoever spreads something I have never said shall get prepared for the place he will sit in hell.”[5]’

Ajluni gives the sources of the hadiths he took in his book. Regarding this saying further above, he only says, “It was mentioned in Ibn Kemal Pasha’s al-Arbaeen as it was.”

When we look into Ibn Kemal Pasha’s al-Arbaeen, we see that he does not introduce any source to the saying he calls hadith. [6] As yet, Ibn Kemal, the Sheikhul Islam of Selim I, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, could not have possibly seen the Prophet (p.b.u.h.). So, whoever calls this false saying a hadith should ‘get prepared for his place in hell’.

(Abdulaziz BAYINDIR, Kur’an Isiginda Tarikatciliga Bakis, Süleymaniye Vakfi Yayinlari, Istanbul, 2007, p: 12-14)


  1. Ibn Taymiyya, Majmu Fatawa, V: 1, p: 356 []
  2. Majmu Fatawa, V: 11, p: 293 []
  3. V 1, p: 85, hadith no: 213 []
  4. A committee in the leadership of Mahmut USTAOSMANOGLU (Mahmut Efendi) , Tafsir Ruhul Furkan, Istanbul 1992, V II, p.82. []
  5. Ismail b. Muhammad al-Ajluni , Kashf al-Khafa’, Beirut 1988/1408, V. I, p. 8. []
  6. Ibn Kemal Pasha, al-Arbaeen, v. 360. Süleymaniye Library, Esad Efendi, 1694. Ibn Kemal, Yavuz Sultan Selim’s famous Sheikhul Islam. Born in Tokat in 1469, passed in 1534 in Istanbul. Knowing there were 900 years between our Prophet (p.b.u.h.) to his time: it is unacceptable for him to present that this saying is a hadith, without showing any source of reference, even though its meaning contradicts to The Quran quite bluntly. Ibn Kemal, just to prove in his work that this saying is a hadith, instead of showing a reference, falls into philosophical commentaries and explanations that have no religious basis at all.
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Date: Jan 26, 2014